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Home My WebLink AboutFW More email from the city historian Fwd Fuller Mounds marker and Bob Gross QR codes etc Re Number Assignment Request for Artesia Post Office Re FL Master Site File TI most often do not read the entire article, for each of the forwarded items of information that passes thru my email, being forwarded from one person to another. However in this attached series of e-mail from; and reply’s to Ray Osborne, I did. I am very concerned of the casual remarks made in the Wed. Oct. 22, 2014 @12:24 P.M. e-mail addressed to Alan Brech; specifically the section in the last sentence of his paragraph ‘’BTW: I have to forward all this e-mail to the City Clerk as it is official city historian business. So be nice.” This presents a concern to me, as I do not recall any City Council action taken to create this position of Official City Historian. I do recall the event of Ray volunteering to clip and save the articles about our City that were published in “ Florida Today Newspaper”; which former Mayor Ann Thrum had volunteered to do previously for many years, until changes in her health prevented her from continuing this task. I am only one person on our City Council; but I have a real Concern of any one speaking and establishing City Council policy and procedures; without Council concurrence. May I ask this be an item for City Council Discussion in the near future. Rocky Randels, Mayor City of Cape Canaveral, Fl. From: rko153@gmail.com [mailto:rko153@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Ray Osborne Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 2:17 PM To: Angela Apperson Cc: Mia Goforth; David Greene; Bob Hoog; John Bond; Buzz Petsos; Rocky Randels; Betty Walsh Subject: More email from the city historian, Fwd: Fuller Mounds marker and Bob Gross, QR codes etc, Re: Number Assignment Request for Artesia Post Office, Re: FL Master Site File TRS Search Results Angela and esteemed city officials, Here's a recent email from me out to several organizations. As you will notice we started talking about the historic marker again. It's kinda like when you start talking about one thing you end up talking about another thing too. Now from your end. Did Mr. Baugher or Cumberland Farms comment on anything recently? I saw he arrived late at the meeting yesterday so I presume he discussed something regarding his project with somebody at the city level. Did he say anything about allowing an archaeological survey before they break ground? I wish he and I could talk like we used to but he has got it in his head that I hate him and wish him bad. Quite the opposite, I respect him as a savvy businessman and realize we just have a different perspective on this issue. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ray Osborne <info@a1aresearch.com <mailto:info@a1aresearch.com> > Date: Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 12:24 PM Subject: Fuller Mounds marker and Bob Gross, QR codes etc, Re: Number Assignment Request for Artesia Post Office, Re: FL Master Site File TRS Search Results To: Alan Brech <aebrech@aol.com <mailto:aebrech@aol.com> > Cc: Michael Boonstra <mboonstra@brev.org <mailto:mboonstra@brev.org> > No it is repairable, Alan. We needn't hash out the Fuller mound marker situation as I think I have all the wording now to everyone's liking. I can go ahead and submit it. It's just such a small park for a big marker. I was trying to get my city to spring for a smaller marker with a QR code but they weren't for it and maybe QR codes have fallen out of use now. Are you finding any use of QR codes in use for historical trails? I was introduced to it by a historian from Key West. It seemed novel approach to get people interesting in following historical sites. I am still on the fence on the Fuller Mounds marker. If I presented the application again do you think it would go through? Meaning is there still funding? But I do have a geocache there and it is the Landmarks guide. BTW: I have to forward all this email to the city clerk as it is official city historian business. So be nice. :-) On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Alan Brech <aebrech@aol.com <mailto:aebrech@aol.com> > wrote: No document was attached to your email. Pedro Menendez de Aviles left mirrors (and other gifts) in the abandoned Ais villages as he marched south from Cape Canaveral to the town of Ais in 1565. Bob Gross is Mr. IRAS and is an unofficial "commissioner/chairman emeritus" so to speak. I did archaeology with ACI (Archaeological Consultants Inc, Sarasota) in 1999 under Joan Demming and Elizabeth Horvath as principal investigators. They were following up on investigations by New South Associates (Georgia). Jim Miller (former head of SHPO) did a report on Merritt Island National Refuge, of which I have a hard copy. As for archeo work done in the 70s and 80's your best bet is Bud Knoderer (deceased). But Bob Gross would be a good source of info. Are you and Bob Gross estranged from each other? Do you need an interlocutor? I'd be glad to help facilitate the flow of info from Gross to Osborne if you guys are at odds with each other. let me know, Alan -----Original Message----- From: Ray Osborne <info@a1aresearch.com <mailto:info@a1aresearch.com> > To: Alan Brech <AEBrech@aol.com <mailto:AEBrech@aol.com> >; Michael Boonstra <mboonstra@brev.org <mailto:mboonstra@brev.org> > Sent: Wed, Oct 22, 2014 11:21 am Subject: Fwd: Number Assignment Request for Artesia Post Office, Re: FL Master Site File TRS Search Results Okay that solves that (see fwd) So I'm still learning. So next step, anybody with BCHC have good communication and relations with IRAS? I'm glad to see Alan is thick skinned, as there seems to be many thin skinned and overly sensitive people in the historical and archaeological community. Not a judgment, just an observation hey? Let's move ahead and get some more good stuff accomplished.Tell me who was doing a lot of archaeology work back in the 1970's and 80's in Cape Canaveral. Promise we won't talk about the metals that may have been transported by the Europeans that may have ended up here. I'm curious about mirrors and geometric shapes. Ais must of been enthralled with the selfies they got with the mirrors, I think I would if I had never seen a mirror before. Imagine discovering your reflection in a glass for the first time. See attached. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Parsons, Timothy A. <Timothy.Parsons@dos.myflorida.com <mailto:Timothy.Parsons@dos.myflorida.com> > Date: Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:49 AM Subject: RE: Number Assignment Request for Artesia Post Office, Re: FL Master Site File TRS Search Results To: Ray Osborne <info@a1aresearch.com <mailto:info@a1aresearch.com> >, "Fowler, Christopher G." <Christopher.Fowler@dos.myflorida.com <mailto:Christopher.Fowler@dos.myflorida.com> > Hi Ray, What you attached are guidelines for completing the FMSF historic structure form and record of the assignment of a site number to the post office. Those aren’t documents that are sent to the site file or to compliance, though they are often sent out (to people who want to record a site/structure and submit documentation to FMSF). The site number for BR1936 was requested by Nash in 2006, who authored the 2006 report and completed the archaeological site form. It doesn’t seem to have been recorded in the FMSF prior to that date. It is possible that other people had done work there prior to 2006, but if so it wasn’t submitted to the site file. The site file only contains information that has been submitted by archaeologists, consultants, architects, etc. – we are not a comprehensive repository for all archaeology completed in the state or for all reports. Good luck, Tim Timothy Parsons, Ph.D., RPA Compliance Review Supervisor | Deputy State Historic Preservation Officer | Bureau of Historic Preservation | Division of Historical Resources | Florida Department of State | 500 South Bronough Street | Tallahassee, Florida 32399 | 850.245.6333 | 1.800.847.7278 | Fax: 850.245.6439 | www.flheritage.com <http://www.flheritage.com/> From: rko153@gmail.com <mailto:rko153@gmail.com> [mailto:rko153@gmail.com <mailto:rko153@gmail.com> ] On Behalf Of Ray Osborne Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 10:35 AM To: Fowler, Christopher G.; Parsons, Timothy A. Subject: Fwd: Number Assignment Request for Artesia Post Office, Re: FL Master Site File TRS Search Results Hello, This is the forwarded application process for another site that I applied BR02570 to be put into the Master File. Are the applications not part of the public record requests procedures? Somebody well before Nash came onto the scene must have submitted and application to be put in. Are you saying BR01936 got it's start with Nash and the Carbo Verde project? See attachments. Where are the BR01936 counterparts? I appreciate your time, so, I will CC this and confer with my contacts with BCHC (Brevard County Historical Commission) for their expertise in adding sites to the Master File here in Brevard County. I'm sure they added quite a few already. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Bailey, Erin M. <EMBailey@dos.state.fl.us <mailto:EMBailey@dos.state.fl.us> > Date: Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 1:41 PM Subject: RE: Number Assignment Request for Artesia Post Office, Re: FL Master Site File TRS Search Results To: Ray Osborne <rko153@gmail.com <mailto:rko153@gmail.com> > Hi again, Ray. The number assigned to Artesia Post Office is BR02570 (see attached). I have also attached the guide for completing the Historic Structure Form which is available from our website through the following link: http://www.flheritage.com/preservation/sitefile/ I look forward to hearing back from you. Please contact us if you have any questions. Happy New Year! Erin M Bailey Erin Michelle Bailey Archaeological Data Analyst Florida Master Site File Bureau of Historic Preservation 500 South Bronough Street Tallahassee, FL 32399 Call: 850.245.6440 or 800.847.7278 Fax: 850.245.6439 From: Ray Osborne [mailto:rko153@gmail.com <mailto:rko153@gmail.com> ] Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:10 PM To: Bailey, Erin M.; Ray Osborne Subject: Number Assignment Request for Artesia Post Office, Re: FL Master Site File TRS Search Results Hi, did you get this okay? I should have put the date in the file. This little post office was built in 1952. Can that be added? Or do I need to complete the form again? On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 8:13 PM, Ray Osborne <rko153@gmail.com <mailto:rko153@gmail.com> > wrote: Hello, can you process this for a Number Assignment Request? On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:04 PM, Bailey, Erin M. <EMBailey@dos.state.fl.us <mailto:EMBailey@dos.state.fl.us> > wrote: Thank you for your interest in the Florida Master Site File. I will be out of the office until December 29th. Questions and requests can be directed to the Florida Master Site File as follows: 500 S. Bronough St. Tallahassee, FL 32399 (850) 245-6440 or (800) 847-7278 Fax to (850) 245-6439 Email FMSFile@dos.state.fl.us <mailto:FMSFile@dos.state.fl.us> Happy holidays and every day in between! @ItsWorkingFL <https://twitter.com/ItsWorkingFL> The Department of State is committed to excellence. Please take our Customer Satisfaction Survey <http://survey.dos.state.fl.us/index.aspx?email=Timothy.Parsons@dos.myfl orida.com> . Florida has a very broad public records law. As a result, any written communication created or received by the City of Cape Canaveral officials and employees will be made available to the public and/or media upon request, unless otherwise exempt. Under Florida Law, email addresses are public records. If you do not want your email address released in response to a public-records request, do not send electronic email to this entity. Instead, contact our office by phone or in writing Florida has a very broad public records law. As a result, any written communication created or received by the City of Cape Canaveral officials and employees will be made available to the public and/or media upon request, unless otherwise exempt. Under Florida Law, email addresses are public records. If you do not want your email address released in response to a public-records request, do not send electronic email to this entity. Instead, contact our office by phone or in writing ators. They were following up on investigations by New South Associates (Georgia). Jim Miller (former head of SHPO) did a report on Merritt Island National Refuge, of which I have a hard copy. As for archeo work done in the 70s and 80's your best bet is Bud Knoderer (deceased). But Bob Gross would be a good source of info. Are you and Bob Gross estranged from each other? Do you need an interlocutor? I'd be glad to help facilitate the flow of info from Gross to Osborne if you guys are at odds with each other. let me know, Alan -----Original Message----- From: Ray Osborne <info@a1aresearch.com <mailto:info@a1aresearch.com> > To: Alan Brech <AEBrech@aol.com <mailto:AEBrech@aol.com> >; Michael Boonstra <mboonstra@brev.org <mailto:mboonstra@brev.org> > Sent: Wed, Oct 22, 2014 11:21 am Subject: Fwd: Number Assignment Request for Artesia Post Office, Re: FL Master Site File TRS Search Results Okay that solves that (see fwd) So I'm still learning. So next step, anybody with BCHC have good communication and relations with IRAS? I'm glad to see Alan is thick skinned, as there seems to be many thin skinned and overly sensitive people in the historical and archaeological community. Not a judgment, just an observation hey? Let's move ahead and get some more good stuff accomplished.Tell me who was doing a lot of archaeology work back in the 1970's and 80's in Cape Canaveral. Promise we won't talk about the metals that may have been transported by the Europeans that may have ended up here. I'm curious about mirrors and geometric shapes. Ais must of been enthralled with the selfies they got with the mirrors, I think I would if I had never seen a mirror before. Imagine discovering your reflection in a glass for the first time. See attached. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Parsons, Timothy A. <Timothy.Parsons@dos.myflorida.com <mailto:Timothy.Parsons@dos.myflorida.com> > Date: Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:49 AM Subject: RE: Number Assignment Request for Artesia Post Office, Re: FL Master Site File TRS Search Results To: Ray Osborne <info@a1aresearch.com <mailto:info@a1aresearch.com> >, "Fowler, Christopher G." <Christopher.Fowler@dos.myflorida.com <mailto:Christopher.Fowler@dos.myflorida.com> > Hi Ray, What you attached are guidelines for completing the FMSF historic structure form and record of the assignment of a site number to the post office. Those aren’t documents that are sent to the site file or to compliance, though they are often sent out (to people who want to record a site/structure and submit documentation to FMSF). The site number for BR1936 was requested by Nash in 2006, who authored the 2006 report and completed the archaeological site form. It doesn’t seem to have been recorded in the FMSF prior to that date. It is possible that other people had done work there prior to 2006, but if so it wasn’t submitted to the site file. The site file only contains information that has been submitted by archaeologists, consultants, architects, etc. – we are not a comprehensive repository for all archaeology completed in the state or for all reports. Good luck, Tim Timothy Parsons, Ph.D., RPA Compliance Review Supervisor | Deputy State Historic Preservation Officer | Bureau of Historic Preservation | Division of Historical Resources | Florida Department of State | 500 South Bronough Street | Tallahassee, Florida 32399 | 850.245.6333 | 1.800.847.7278 | Fax: 850.245.6439 | www.flheritage.com <http://www.flheritage.com/> From: rko153@gmail.com <mailto:rko153@gmail.com> [mailto:rko153@gmail.com <mailto:rko153@gmail.com> ] On Behalf Of Ray Osborne Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 10:35 AM To: Fowler, Christopher G.; Parsons, Timothy A. Subject: Fwd: Number Assignment Request for Artesia Post Office, Re: FL Master Site File TRS Search Results Hello, This is the forwarded application process for another site that I applied BR02570 to be put into the Master File. Are the applications not part of the public record requests procedures? Somebody well before Nash came onto the scene must have submitted and application to be put in. Are you saying BR01936 got it's start with Nash and the Carbo Verde project? See attachments. Where are the BR01936 counterparts? I appreciate your time, so, I will CC this and confer with my contacts with BCHC (Brevard County Historical Commission) for their expertise in adding sites to the Master File here in Brevard County. I'm sure they added quite a few already. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Bailey, Erin M. <EMBailey@dos.state.fl.us <mailto:EMBailey@dos.state.fl.us> > Date: Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 1:41 PM Subject: RE: Number Assignment Request for Artesia Post Office, Re: FL Master Site File TRS Search Results To: Ray Osborne <rko153@gmail.com <mailto:rko153@gmail.com> > Hi again, Ray. The number assigned to Artesia Post Office is BR02570 (see attached). I have also attached the guide for completing the Historic Structure Form which is available from our website through the following link: http://www.flheritage.com/preservation/sitefile/ I look forward to hearing back from you. Please contact us if you have any questions. Happy New Year! Erin M Bailey Erin Michelle Bailey Archaeological Data Analyst Florida Master Site File Bureau of Historic Preservation 500 South Bronough Street Tallahassee, FL 32399 Call: 850.245.6440 or 800.847.7278 Fax: 850.245.6439 From: Ray Osborne [mailto:rko153@gmail.com <mailto:rko153@gmail.com> ] Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:10 PM To: Bailey, Erin M.; Ray Osborne Subject: Number Assignment Request for Artesia Post Office, Re: FL Master Site File TRS Search Results Hi, did you get this okay? I should have put the date in the file. This little post office was built in 1952. Can that be added? Or do I need to complete the form again? On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 8:13 PM, Ray Osborne <rko153@gmail.com <mailto:rko153@gmail.com> > wrote: Hello, can you process this for a Number Assignment Request? On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:04 PM, Bailey, Erin M. <EMBailey@dos.state.fl.us <mailto:EMBailey@dos.state.fl.us> > wrote: Thank you for your interest in the Florida Master Site File. I will be out of the office until December 29th. Questions and requests can be directed to the Florida Master Site File as follows: 500 S. Bronough St. Tallahassee, FL 32399 (850) 245-6440 or (800) 847-7278 Fax to (850) 245-6439 Email FMSFile@dos.state.fl.us <mailto:FMSFile@dos.state.fl.us> Happy holidays and every day in between! @ItsWorkingFL <https://twitter.com/ItsWorkingFL> The Department of State is committed to excellence. Please take our Customer Satisfaction Survey <http://survey.dos.state.fl.us/index.aspx?email=Timothy.Parsons@dos.myfl orida.com> . Florida has a very broad public records law. As a result, any written communication created or received by the City of Cape Canaveral officials and employees will be made available to the public and/or media upon request, unless otherwise exempt. Under Florida Law, email addresses are public records. If you do not want your email address released in response to a public-records request, do not send electronic email to this entity. Instead, contact our office by phone or in writing Florida has a very broad public records law. As a result, any written communication created or received by the City of Cape Canaveral officials and employees will be made available to the public and/or media upon request, unless otherwise exempt. Under Florida Law, email addresses are public records. If you do not want your email address released in response to a public-records request, do not send electronic email to this entity. Instead, contact our office by phone or in writing