HomeMy WebLinkAboutMinutes 02-12-2009 WorkshopCITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP MEETING
CITY HALL ANNEX
111 Polk Avenue, Cape Canaveral, Florida
THURSDAY
February 12, 2009
5:30 PM
MINUTES
CALL TO ORDER: The Chair called the Meeting to order at 5:30 P.M.
Council Members Present:
Mayor Pro Tem
Council Member
Mayor
Council Member
Council Member
Others Present:
Bob Hoog
Buzz Petsos (arrived 7:05 P.M.)
Rocky Randels
Shannon Roberts
Betty Walsh
City Manager Bennett Boucher
Public Works Director Walter Bandish
Assistant Public Works Director Jeff Ratliff
CW City Engineer John Pekar
DISCUSSION:
1. Ridgewood Avenue Streetscape Project
Mayor Randels began the workshop by stating:
(1) The consultants will point out each problem to be addressed;
(2) The Council will make a decision, probably by consensus, on what to do about the
problem; and
(3) This will give the consultants direction on preparing the rest of the design.
Mr. Boucher responded that Public Meetings were held in the past where local
residents, up and down Ridgewood Avenue, participated by giving input to the
consultants. This information was then given back to the City Council as to what they
would like to see along Ridgewood Avenue. Mr. Boucher stated the Ridgewood
Avenue Project is at 60% design based on public input and the City is getting down to
the final design and getting the bid documents ready. He responded to Ms. Roberts
that for the North Atlantic Avenue Project, they will talk about the possibilities of what
can be done, short term and long term.
Jeff Ratliff, Assistant Public Works Director, directed the group to look at the handout
pertaining to the Ridgewood Redevelopment Project. The attached memorandum
stated there are 21 "major" property conflicts identified for this project:
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• Nine (9) parking lots
• Four (4) fences
• Three (3) trees
• Three (3) hedges
• One (1) wall
• One (1) structure
The attached handout included:
1). Summary of all 21 property conflicts with contact information and citizen comments
(when provided).
2). Summary of all nine parking lot issues and information concerning the number of
units and parking spaces currently available. (Note: The Building Department has
stated that these portions are "grandfathered" in regards to parking slot requirements
[two per unit]. Most properties do not currently have two parking slots per unit — they
may have fewer parking slots after the redevelopment project is completed.)
3). Aerial photographs of the 21 "major' property conflicts. Other less significant
CW conflicts (mail boxes, property signs, etc.) have also been identified but are not
included.
Discussion followed on nine (9) parking lot issues:
• 321 Johnson Avenue and the rest of the Parking Lot Conflict Properties (see
attachment) were specified by Mr. Ratliff as the biggest issues of concern.
• The parking spots that will be lost as a result of the project; most of the
properties are not in compliance with the City Code for sufficient parking.
• Most of the responses from the property owners were positive and one of
the owners believes that the project will increase the property value and the
quality of tenants.
• Clarification was made that the pedway will be eight (8) feet in width and
constructed of asphalt, there will probably be striping to clarify where the limits
are as they run through the parking areas in question.
• It was brought out that the property owners would be responsible for paying
for moving their parking spots.
• The point was made that all of the parking lot issues are basically the same
and therefore, it was not necessary to go through each one.
• In response to a question, the Public Works Director and the Assistant Public
Works Director explained that when they go through the bid process, they will
recommend that the contractor work with the property owners and
associations to give them good deals and good prices.
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• The group was informed that pavers will be used for the crosswalks, concrete for
sidewalks and asphalt for the pedways.
Council aereed to reclaim the City's right-of-way in all nine (9) parkins lot
conflicts.
Discussion followed on the fence, tree, hedge, wall & structure conflicts:
• Canaveral Towers Resort was used as an example of being eight (8) inches in
the City's right-of-way with the chain link fence and it was pointed out that this
was a replacement fence and was probably not surveyed.
• In response to the question raised about what the damage would be if the fence
is left in place, it was explained that the sidewalk would end up being 3 feet 4
inches in width instead of 4 feet in width on that side of the road and the
sidewalks must remain consistent all the way down that side of the road.
• The point was made that if some owners are allowed to keep a fence in and
others not, there will be problems.
• The comment was made that being consistent and applying the same rule to
everyone will be easier to stand on.
• The concern was raised again about getting the contractors to work with the
property owners and associations at a reduced cost and possibly putting some
sort of percentage over cost in the contract to work with the residents on.
• Timing was emphasized as a key issue and will have to be coordinated in the
bid package and the contract agreement in regard to the possibility of property
owners gathering bids from other contractors.
• It was noted that if the City's contractor did everyone's work all the way down the
road that would be the ideal situation.
• Inquiry was made about what to do if a property owner does not do what the City
is asking. Mayor Randels requested that the City Manager check with the
City Attorney about this issue.
• The possibility of waiving permit fees for the property owners was brought
up and the concern was expressed over the need for the process and policy for
this to be decided right now.
• Clarification was made that trees in the City's right-of-way are technically the
City's trees and should never have been planted in the first place.
• Concern was raised over removal of the trees and following the City's tree
ordinance.
• It was affirmed that a Notice will be given to property owners to inform them of
the City's right-of-way and the City's intention to procure it; the property owners
will be given options; and, if the owners decide to ignore the Notice, there will
probably be a procedure placed in the bid to deal with that.
• The one (1) retaining wall was emphasized as being a tough item to remove.
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Council agreed to waive all permit fees to the property owners for any
improvement that needs to be done due to the construction of the Ridgewood
Redevelopment Project.
Council agreed to replant any viable trees that are in the City's right-of-way, due
to the construction of the Ridgewood Redevelopment Proiect and in following the
City's Tree Ordinance.
Council agreed to reclaim the City's right-of-way in all 21 "major" property
conflicts identified for the Ridgewood Redevelopment Proiect.
As a side discussion, the following points were made:
• The City Engineer presented technical items the City would need to decide
upon: 1) Replacement all storm drain inlet tops with heavy duty, traffic bearing
tops or move some of them over (the ones that can't be moved could be installed
with heavier tops.) The inlet boxes and tops that are presently there have been
repeatedly damaged by storms and traffic; and
2) Preliminary wiring for decorative lighting in the future.
• Inquiry was made about the electrical poles and putting the sidewalk around
them in some cases. It was explained that moving the poles would be
expensive, but it may be possible to replace some of them. A suggestion was
made to contact Florida Power & Light, which is in the process of replacing the
Ridgewood Avenue poles now, and inform them of where the City desires to put
the poles. The City Engineer stated he would contact Florida Power & Light.
• A request was made to come up with seaside lighting options other than what
had already been decided upon, by the public, at previous community meetings.
A design consultant representing Brad Smith & Associates explained that dark
sky lighting is absolutely critical with cut off fixtures and the Steinberg fixture
is excellent for that use. This type of fixture is also used up and down the coast
of Florida.
• Clarification was made about the choices for the crosswalks (brick pavers,
imprinted concrete or STS [stone thermal settings]) and the decision on
which one to use will come later as a monetary decision in the design phase
schedule.
• Comment was made that SCAT, Space Coast Area Transit, does not
recommend any bus shelters on Ridgewood Avenue based on ridership, but
there will be concrete pads with benches and garbage cans.
• A request was made to implement improved signage on streets as well as for
directional municipal signage to key places like the City's parks, City Hall, etc...
• Inquiry was made about an opportunity to place an entrance sign, on the south
side going north, on Ridgewood Avenue. It was determined there is not enough
room in the right-of-way for a physical wall sign, but a solution could be to use a
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STS application with the City's logo at the Johnson Avenue and Ridgewood
Avenue intersection.
• The question was also brought up if there would be enough room for a flag at
same entrance and it was determined there may not be enough room.
• A request was made of the Public Works Director and Assistant Director to check
on bus shelter options at intersections on Ridgewood Avenue along with
natural, decorative seating areas.
• The group was reminded that there will be decorative lighting at the
intersections along Ridgewood Avenue.
• The request was made to the Public Works Director and Assistant Director to
bring back the sources of their research and find out the comparable costs of
pavers versus STS.
• Ms. Roberts stated that she is going on record to please make an outreach
to Brevard County contractors.
• It was clarified that this project does not qualify for Federal Stimulus Package
money.
2. North Atlantic Avenue Beautification Project.
A handout included four (4) preliminary drawings from Brad Smith Associates for the
February 12 meeting on the referenced project.
Mr. Boucher explained an issue of concern in paving N. Atlantic Avenue and that he
consulted with City Staff, John Pekar, City Engineer and Vice President of Stottler Stagg
& Associates and Brad Smith, President of Brad Smith Associates. Mr. Boucher stated
that Mr. Pekar and Mr. Smith indicated they were pretty sure that any design they come
up with will not affect N. Atlantic Avenue if they decide to have it paved now and will not
have any impact on stormwater improvement and landscaping they decide to do later.
Mr. Boucher noted that this gives the City some flexibility on doing some advanced
cosmetic treatments on N. Atlantic Avenue. He clarified that Brevard County only
has funds to do paver work at the N. Atlantic Avenue and Central Boulevard
intersection and any enhancements after the paving is at the City's cost.
Scott Girard, Operations Manager with Brad Smith Associates gave a brief overview of
the preliminary drawings for the North Atlantic Avenue Beautification Project and the
following was gathered from feedback along the way:
• The intersections are divided into three (3) categories: Primary (ex. Central
Boulevard), Secondary (ex. Canaveral Boulevard), and Tertiary (ex.
Washington Avenue).
• Icon entry features finishes will be coquina clad at the South end of N. Atlantic
Avenue to match the existing feature on the North end of N. Atlantic Avenue.
• Existing school and SCAT (Space Coast Area Transit) bus stops are featured in
their present locations.
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• Icon wall features at the various intersections will be a low wall, 42" high, with a
capstone cap and clad in coquina.
• Pots are cast stone with flowering shrubs such as bougainvilleas; everything
is durable and very low maintenance.
• The lighting fixtures will be consistent with Ridgewood Avenue.
• The site furnishings, ash urns, trash receptacles and benches, will be concrete
cast stone for durability.
• Road signage treatment; they recommend a very simple and inexpensive
solution to pull all the signage together and also following DOT (Department
of Transportation) standards by painting the posts and painting the backs of the
signs; and to introduce enhancements to street signs with filigree work of an "A"
for Atlantic Avenue.
Brief discussion followed:
• The Public Works Director announced that the intersection at Central Avenue
and North Atlantic Avenue will not be eligible for pavers because of existing
utilities; the Public Works Director recommends STS.
• The Public Works Director clarified his memo, dated February 12, 2009 regarding
the Asphalt Cost Analysis of Central Avenue and North Atlantic Avenue,
stating that Brevard County proposes to pave each road even though the total
cost analysis now, $354,370, is more than what was originally allocated,
$299,268. It was also noted that the County would pay to do the STS as well.
• It was pointed out that in the future, when the water main that runs underneath
the Central Avenue and North Atlantic Avenue intersection breaks, the City of
Cocoa will have to replace it and the entire intersection.
• Inquiry was made as to whether the County would install the chosen treatment
over the whole intersection or just the cross -walks. Clarification was made that
the County has agreed to install the cross -walk treatments only.
• It was pointed out that a ribbing curb would have to be added after the paving
done by the County.
• The Assistant Public Works Director informed that SCAT only recommended one
(1) bus stop on North Atlantic Avenue at the Southgate Trailer Park.
Council agreed to have Brevard County resurface North Atlantic Avenue and
Central Boulevard.
ADJOURNMENT:
There being no further business, the meeting adjourned at 7:35 P.M.
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Mia Goforth, ecordin ecretary