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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMinutes 09-08-1994 MEETING MINUTES SEPTEMBER 8, 1994 7:00 P.M. CAPE CANAVERAL LIBRARY Attendees: Kathy Stewart, Brevard County Carl Tucker, Brevard County Frank Harris, Brevard County Joe Vislay, Brevard County Bo Beauchemin, Brevard County Bill Starmer, Stottler Stagg & Associates Roy Cowell, Stottler Stagg & Associates Ann Kelly Barbara Sims Tim Grady Harry Earnst Isabel Matos-Escapa, Library Director Rocky Randalls, Cape Canaveral Councilman Leo Nicholas, Cape Canaveral Councilman Other Citizen Participants Mr. Starmer presented Facility and Site Concept Plans (A&B) for the renovation and addition to the Library. Plan A concepts provided for expansion to the east and Plan B to the north. Internal circulation of Plan A provided for a central, open system while Plan B was more linear. In general, discussions revolved around the following: A. Site Considerations 1. Area proposed for the library is 250' by 250'. 2. Neither the monument at the northeast corner of the site nor the trees in the southwest corner of the site will be impacted. 3. Site utilities, water and sanitary sewer, will be impacted and require relocation. 4. Site survey will be available in approximately 3 to 4 weeks. 5. Both site concepts provide that the existing main entry become the staff and service entry. 6. It was agreed that Site Concept A provided the best solution to both site utilization and automobile circulation and parking (60 spaces required). 7. Discussion of the possibility to close Poinsetta Street resulted in the conclusion that there was no real advantage, and in tact potential disadvantages in terms of fire and emergency vehicle movement, as well as a delay in project completion. COWELL.CC Library Minutes 9/8/94 B. Floor Plan 1. There was unanimous acceptance of Concept Plan A with direction to provide for the meeting room and childrens room to be contiguous. 2. Plan A was considered more acceptable due in part to the circulation layout. 3. SSA to revise Plan A to clarify circulation specifics and further delineate functional spaces. C. Action Items 1. SSA will revise the site plan Concept A to include dimensions for presentation to Cape Canaveral City Council. 2. Isabel Matos-Escapa to be placed on the City Council Agenda to present the concept for approval. 3. Frank Harris will set up a meeting between SSA and the Library staff to discuss modifications to the floor plan concept. Meeting adjourned at 8:00 p.m. • COWELL.CC Library Minutes 9/8/94 Brevard County Library System Cape Canaveral Library - Public Information Meeting with A & E Firm Stottler Stagg & Associates September 8, 1994 Present: Bo Beauchemin, Facilities Construction Division Ray Cowell, Stottler Stagg and Associates Harry Ernst, Library Patron Isabel Escapa, Library Director Tim Grady, Library Board Chairman Frank Harris, Library Construction ..c.pordinator ` Anna Kelly, Library Patron Mark Kelly, Library Patron Leon Newman, Library Patron Leo Nicholas, City of Cape Canaveral Rocky Randels, Cape Canaveral City Council Marilyn Rigerman, Citizen Barbara Sims, Staff • Bill Starmer, Stottler Stagg and Associates Kathryn Stewart, Library Services Director Carl Tucker, Facilities Construction Division Geraldine Vavrek, Library Board Member Joe Vislay, Facilities Construction Division Director The second Public Information meeting with Stottler, Stagg and Associates was called to order on September 8, 1994 at 7:00 p.m. at the Cape Canaveral Public Library, 7400 Poinsetta Avenue, Cape Canaveral, Florida by Mr. Frank Harris. Mr. Harris welcomed everyone and introduced Mr. Bill Starmer of Stottler, Stagg and Associates. He said the meeting was being held to get the public's ideas on what they would like to see in the renovated Library. He said Mr. Starmer would show everyone the ideas they are working on for the Library. Mr. Harris then introduced himself as the Library Construction Coordinator and asked others to introduce themselves as well. Mrs. Kathryn Stewart - Library Services Director; Carl Tucker, Bo Beauchemin and Joe Vislay - Facilities Construction Division, introduced themselves. Mr. Vislay said the reason there were two (2) project managers from Facilities Construction Division at the meeting was because although Mr. Tucker was originally Project Manager, Mr. Beauchemin will now take over this Library project. Mr. Vislay said this is due to the time frames for the other Library construction projects being moved up. He said Mr. Beauchemin already had other projects in the area so he will be overseeing this project. Mr. Tucker will continue on with other Library projects as they come on line. Mr. Roy Cowell and Bill Starmer of Stottler, Stagg and Associates introduced themselves as well as the other members of the audience. Mrs. Stewart thanked the members of the audience for the additional thoughts and comments which were received since the last meeting. She said if anyone had any other comments to please send them to Mr. Harris or Mrs. Escapa and they would be sure the Architects would receive them. She asked Mr. Starmer to please begin his presentation. Mr. Starmer said he wanted to discuss a couple of different concepts and the direction they were headed with the addition. He said an earlier meeting was held approximately six (6) weeks ago and had been an introductory session. They heard from the citizens and Library staff about some of their concerns with how the existing facility operates as well as some of the things they 1 would like to see in the new facility. He said a subsequent meeting was held with Library staff and they discussed the "Program". He explained the "Program" indicated that so many patrons were in a certain area, so many volumes were in a certain area, etc. It gives the Architects ideas of the sizes of various spaces. Today, he said at this meeting his firm will present how they have graphically taken all this information and put in on paper to begin discussing it visually. Once his firm was finished looking at the Program, he identified the key areas as the Meeting Room, Circulation, the Administrative Area, Technical Processing, Reference and General Collection including both Periodicals and Youth Services. These are not definitive but are just the general areas on which they would be focused. From there it is put on a floor plan. He said he wanted to present two (2) floor concepts: one expands to the East and the other expanding to the North. He said he would show how these concepts work with the site plan. He then asked if everyone had a copy of the Concept Plans. He said the dotted line represents the existing Library. He said the solid lines represent where the addition goes in. He said that when expanding east towards the ocean in Concept A, his firm had oriented the entry so that the new main entry to the Library is at a different place. He said when entering the Library, there is a Browsing Section in one area, a casual Periodicals section, the Audio-Visual area and the Circulation desk. He said Circulation will have control of these high activity areas. He said from there it is broken into more quiet sections: Fiction, Reference, the Reference work area, study carrels, and Non-Fiction. He said where the Main Collection and Reference is located today would be the Youth and Children's area. He said where the main entry is located today, would be the staff area housing a Circulation work area, Administration, a lounge, and bathrooms. The Meeting Room in this scheme stays in the same place. He said there would be new public restrooms which are ADA accessible and also a storage area. Conceptually they had drawn bubble diagrams of spaces and had not defined walls and doors and hadn't yet defined square footage. He said they were just trying to define the relationships of how the Library space is laid out. He said if the existing Library is approximately nine thousand (9,000) square feet, the addition is approximately six thousand (6,000) square feet. He said he would also show how this works on the site plan. He said the next scheme, Concept B, takes the addition to the north. He said the dotted line again represented the present Library and the solid line represents the addition. He said the public entry is now on the east side and the staff entry remains on the west side. He said as a patron comes in the library, the busiest areas, audio/visual, browsing and the periodical area, is right there. Also, there is direct visual access from the Circulation Desk. He said the layout going around the Library is Periodicals, Non- Fiction, Reference, Fiction, the Reference work area and the Reference desk supporting this end of the building. When patrons enter the Library today, the Meeting Room is at the left. The meeting room in Concept B has been converted to a staff area with the Circulation work area, lounge and restrooms. The Meeting Room has been moved to a new position and accommodates the Youth and Children's areas. In both concepts, they have taken the West entry and made it where staff will enter and deliveries are made. He said both these plans have merits and both have pros and cons. He said in discussing some of the items with citizens and staff, one of the pros of concept B is the meeting room is much closer to the Children's room. That overflow continuity is important when there is a large group of children that need to be moved into that Meeting Room. He said in Concept A, children must go though the Circulation area to get to the Meeting Room. He said something to consider is taking the staff area and moving it around with the Children's area. Another nice amenity of this plan is that is it easier to divorce this Meeting Room with a separate entry and restrooms so that the public can have access to the room after Library hours. Mr. Starmer said he would discuss the site plans for both concepts quickly so that he could answer questions. He said on the Concept A site plan the addition goes to the East. He showed the existing parking area and said additional parking would be added to the North and East. The main entry is from the North-East. He said this plan represents 2 • approximately sixty-eight (68) parking spaces. The parking at the north is lost in Concept B. He said although the floor plan for Concept B works well, his firm did not feel the site plan worked as well. He said ten (10) or fifteen (15) parking spaces are lost and the functions of the Library are pretty much the same. He said additional parking could be added to Concept B but then the site is being ruined. The Library would be loaded up with asphalt and paving to the point that there is no nice front entry to the building. He said another thing that happens is that there are three (3) curb cuts, but only one new one. When using this concept, two (2) can be kept, but two (2) new ones must be created because one (1) cannot be used anymore. There is no room to park near the entrance. So if you look at the site as far as best use of the land, Concept A will sway thinking because it has a little better parking and easier access to public entry. A member of the audience asked 'about the trees. She asked if they would be cut down or if was planned to work around them. Mr. Starmer replied that the primary trees, the nice ones on the Southwest corner are being left and the pavement is not being taken any further South. The existing building is here (pointed to plan) and he said they were doing no construction in the corner where all the trees are at all. He said the only thing that must be put in is a retention pond, but that is flexible enough where the trees can be avoided. He said there were some palm trees on the other side of the Library, but they certainly did not have the mystique the beautiful oak trees do. He said they would definitely try to limit construction near the oaks. Mrs. Kelly said the palm trees could also be transplanted. Mr. Starmer said yes, but it would be really be putting the oaks in jeopardy to try and move them. Mrs. Stewart asked how much of the lot was being used. She asked if the entire lot was being used or just a portion of it. Mr. Starmer said he would have to confirm with the City but it was his understanding that this existing site is two hundred fifty (250) feet running north/south by one hundred eighty (180) feet east/west. He said these plans are approximately two hundred fifty (250) by two hundred fifty (250) so we're taking about another seventy (70) feet further to the east. The lots are broken up into fifty (50) foot sections. He said in both Concept plans, both are suggesting approximately seventy (70) feet additions. Mrs. Stewart said then is it two hundred fifty (250) square feet. Mr. Beauchemin asked Mr. Starmer what was due East, on the next lot. Mr. Starmer replied he believed there was another lot and a half. Mrs. Stewart asked how close it comes to the Veterans Memorial. Mr. Starmer said they had not yet done a survey so he did not know. Mr. Randels confirmed that the Veterans Memorial was in the first fifty (50) foot lot. Mrs. Stewart said there was concern expressed by some that the Veterans Memorials was not touched and she said it would not be. Mr. Starmer said that functionally what his firm was trying to do was show how with these two (2) different shapes, there, are pros and cons to both. He said they would try to take the best of both plans and merge them. He said on 3 Concept A the entry was harder for the Meeting Room to be open at night but he felt this idea could be incorporated in the scheme. He asked for thoughts on the floor plans. Mr. Grady said he had a question on the site itself. He said he had conversations with people around the City and one (1) idea was to close off Poinsetta Avenue to through-traffic and turn it into a parking lot. He asked if, presuming this could be done, would this lend more to one plan or the other. He said the reason he asked was because he was concerned about turning land into too much paved area. He said if this were possible, the additional land would not need to be used for parking. Mr. Starmer said this comment came up at the first meeting about actually vacating a street and adjoining City property. He said he felt the idea had value. He said he had heard no more about this so they had not pursued it. He said that for example, if this were done, there is about a twenty-five (25) foot paved area and probably a fifty (50) foot right-of-way for the City of Cape Canaveral. So if the Library needs an additional fifty (50) feet, basically you'd need about sixty (60) feet for a double row of parking and to be able to drive in the middle. So even if this additional paved area were taken, at best it might add a row of parking or twenty-four (24) additional spaces making the parking in the thirty-four range (34) . Whereas, these plans are in the fifty-eight (58) to sixty-eight (68) range. He said in order for this to make the best sense, the Library would really want to work with the City property as well as the street to build a parking lot between the Library and City Hall that really worked. Mr. Grady said so this would mean taking out•the sidewalk that is there and using it as part of the paved area. Mr. Starmer said yes and they would probably want a pedestrian way. He said that would give an ideal way to capitalize on the southwest corner parcel where the trees are for the entry. He said that one of the concept plans could be flipped over and used. Mr. Cowell said there was also the possibility that because the buildings across the street are set back and the garage door access points for the Sheriffs Department are not generally used, the potential of going across to the west of Poinsetta for expansion and leaving the east side of the road alone is possible. To expand the parking area that way may be possible. He said the City's concern was with the Fire Department's leaving the station and going South. The concern was the potential of creating a meandering system when emergency vehicles are trying to get out. Mr. Grady said he realized this was important and would have to be worked out. Mrs. Kelly asked if they wouldn't be forced to plan any development on the basis of what might happen on Poinsetta Avenue. Mrs. Stewart replied that the site plan would have to be taken to the City and the City would say what they agree to and what they will allow the Library to do. She said she hoped since Mr. Randels was here he could lead the Library in the right direction, if this was going to be a consideration. She asked Mr. Randels if there was unofficial talk of doing this. Mr. Randels said it had never been a City Council item. Mrs. Stewart asked at what point the Library System needed to go to City Council to get its blessing on the site plan so that they may proceed. Mr. Randels said that he could not speak for the other City Council members. 4 Mr. Grady said he was not sure if it would cause a delay because the architect said the floor plan could be flipped over. He said they would not have to come up with a new design as they could still use the same design. Mr. Starmer said that if this was a direction that really had some strong interest, he would recommend his firm draw a site plan that shows the addition making use of this City property. He said then these plans could be taken to the City and they could tell the Library whether it was a possibility. Mr. Vislay asked about closing the road and resurfacing it. He asked what the timetable would be. Mr.Randels said at least six (6) months before it could become finalized. He said every City Emergency Vehicle Department would have to approve it. The Sheriff's Department comes out of that driveway also. He said he felt some would say yes to this and others would say no. He felt there would be strong opinions about it. Mrs. Vavrek asked about public relations with the Library. Mr. Randels said he did not think it would be a happy situation. Mr. Harris asked if there was really a big advantage in building in that direction. He said the park is at the other end of the property and the rest is just open land. Mr. Randels said it would be a prime consideration if there was a severe shortage of land but this is not the case. Mr. Beauchemin asked if the City Council would object to the Library acquiring additional land to the east. Mrs. Stewart said the City Council does own the land. She said they own the entire block but they have indicated in their City Council meetings that basically the Library may use what it needs within reason. Mr. Beauchemin asked how many parking spaces were required . Mr. Starmer said there were different answers on this. He said that directly from the planning guides, they say two hundred (200) to three hundred (300) square feet per space. If the Library is looking at 15,000 square feet, that is fifty (50) to seventy-five (75) parking spaces. So at the sixty-eight (68) spaces it is probably at a comfortable range. He said at the fifty-eight (58) , it might be inadequate. He said the perfect example is that today there are twenty five (25) spaces on one side of the Library and twenty five (25) on another side. There are many days when there is not enough parking and also many days when there is plenty, so it is not really about numbers. He said it is just a planning guide and they will just use their best judgement. He said it is best to be within the planning guide range. Mrs. Stewart said she would lean towards the sixty (60) spaces range rather than the fifty (50) . This was due to the fact that if the Meeting Room is used, even if the meeting only has fifty (50) people attending, chances are there will be forty (40) cars. Then the public can't get to the Library to use it. This is when libraries begin to get lots of complaints. She said from a library point of view, the more spaces the better, but she realized she had to look at the medium number of uses rather than the highs and lows. Mr. Starmer said this meeting had a relatively small crowd and the parking lot was full. 5 Mr. Beauchemin said then it appears the Concept B floor plan was the most preferable. Mr. Starmer said in this case there was one (1) site plan which worked a little better. He said then the floor plan would be worked to meet that. He said that although there are benefits to the spacial relationships of Concept B, he felt they could be applied to Concept A. Mr. Vislay said that Concept A was visually best as patrons could see the entry from the roadway. Concept B site plan moves the entrance to where there is no street and is tucked in the corner. He said in Concept A people are looking right at the front of the building not at the side of it. A member of the aduience asked if in Concept B more of the space was being utilized. Mr. Starmer said the square footage of the building is exactly the same. A member of the audience asked about the size of the departments in Concept A versus Concept B. Mr. Starmer said at this point to assume that both Concept A and B have the same functions, the same size and the same benefits. He said they may differ somewhat in the drawings but the rooms had not been sized yet. He said to answer her questions the amenities would be the same. Mr. Starmer said the one thing that Concept A does have that B does not is that it is a linear pattern. He said there needs to be a circulation pattern through this. When this is done, it makes the spacing more narrow. It makes the spaces on either side of the circulation pattern become oblong. Whereas, if the floorplan can be opened up a little, more like in Concept A, the spacing becomes a little bit more generous and flexible. Obviously, an entire exterior wall cannot be taken down but we can open it up enough to make it work. Mr. Grady asked about the psychological factor of constrictiveness. Mr. Starmer said this does make a difference. He said staff is now hiking from one end of this Library to another whereas in this Concept A, staff has quicker access and better control. Mrs. Kelly said she preferred the expansion to the east much better than the expansion to the north. Mr. Tucker told Mr. Starmer that regarding Concept A, he had heard at various other Library meetings that the visual control from the Circulation desk is very important. He said that from the Concept A floor plan, staff has a good idea of the activity levels and where patrons are in the Library from this central point. Whereas, in Concept B there is not this advantage. Mr. Starmer said even if there is not the Reference area staff, anybody here taking a product must go by the Circulation desk. Mr. Tucker said the Meeting Room could even be rotated to the addition. He said the Meeting Room in Concept A could be moved to the new addition and then it would have outside access and enough room to put the Children's overflow next it. Mr. Starmer said a benefit of Concept A is that the Meeting Room is left alone. Money is saved by not having to tear down the walls. He said there is the value of that money being better spent elsewhere in the facility. Mrs. Vavrek asked then if it would be more practical for the Library to choose Concept A. 6 • Mr. Starmer said from comments he has heard and his own personal opinion would be yes. Again, he said this is diagrammatic. He said his firm will be coming back and defining the spaces, the spaces within the space, furniture in the spaces and how it works. But, this is just a step by step process to try and deliver the best product. Mr. Nicholas asked about problems relocating water lines and heavy utilities. Mr. Starmer referred to Concept plan A and showed where the water line comes in. He said it would have to be relocated. He said on Concept B the line would not have to be relocated although, he would recommend relocating it because the Library would be paving on top of it. He said his firm had always assumed there would have to be some utility modification. He said there is expense involved in this. Mr. Randels asked regarding Concept A, since the original diagram shows an outside entrance on the north side of the building, could that entrance be utilized for the Meeting Room. Mr. Starmer said yes. He said that entry would be left as a secondary egress from the staff area. He said patrons are just accustomed to coming to the main entrance to the Library if there is a meeting. . Mr. Randels said he thought this was a possible idea versus redesigning the browse and restroom areas. Mrs. Stewart said these areas would have to be redone anyway. Mr. Starmer said the drawings were just floating bubbles and problems could be solved. Mr. Nicholas asked about wasted space in Concept A in the Circulation area. Mr. Starmer replied graphically the gray areas look large, but they would be tightened up in the walkway areas. He said that in either scheme both concepts have the same square footage and the same functions. He felt there would be less circulation in concept A because patrons walk in and distribute quickly versus Concept B where patrons come in and circulate in a linear fashion. Mr. Nicholas said the Library just should utilize as much space as it can instead of having just open spaces. Mr. Starmer asked if Mrs. Escapa or Mrs. Stewart if they had any comments. Mrs. Stewart replied that she preferred Concept A site plan. She said A gives a better presentation to the public from the outside of the building. She said it appears much more open and she liked the shape better. She said complaints received from patrons at the other libraries were for example: Melbourne Library patrons had to walk too far. She said at the Central Brevard Library patrons also complain about the walk and that it is all up hill. She said Concept A has the parking all the way around the Library and not in just one area. When people have to park on either end at the Central Brevard Library parking lot, they don't like that either. Franklin DeGroodt Library patrons don't like the parking because they have to park at each end of the building and then walk to the center. There are only a few parking spaces in the center. Satellite Beach Library patrons don't like the parking area because there is no drive through and Concept A takes care of this. She said on Concept B, if there was any parking available in the staff or delivery area, they would have to go back out onto the street, go down and turn again. Also they would not like it because there are no sidewalks going around the building. She said these are just some of the things that the Library System 7 had already received complaints about. She said this Library can use those complaints in creating a better Library here. Mr. Grady said in regards to her comments on the Melbourne Library, it reiterates what he had said earlier about the how it is psychologically constrictive, walking down the corridor. Mr. Randels said he liked the Concept plan where the existing western entrance was used as the employee and delivery entrance. It took the flow of traffic out of the existing area. Plus he said, it is an existing entrance that can be utilized without much change. Mrs. Stewart said the Library wanted to look at this with the floor plan, how much they don't have to change., Mr. Randels said anytime an existing structure can be used such as the Meeting Room in the new proposed area and it stay the same, the Library is miles ahead. Mr. Starmer said he agreed. He said it might only cost $2,000 or $3,000 to tear a wall down, but this is money,that can be spent elsewhere. Mrs. Stewart said even if the Meeting Room was left the way it is, there would still need to be changes made to add storage for tables and chairs, etc. Mr. Starmer said he thought the next step was to take Concept A and develop it further, come back, sit down with staff and get some of the internal bugs worked out. Then perhaps set another meeting up with the public. Mrs. Stewart said that although this was not official, she asked for a show of hands on Concept A versus Concept B. She said consensus was for Concept A. Mr. Grady asked what the yellow cross on Concept A Site Plan was? Mr. Starmer said he wanted to have two (2) or three (3) things there. For one the Library needs a public plaza/sitting area. Secondly, the Library needs a drop off area for the young, elderly, or handicapped patrons; and thirdly, a book drop area. A member of the audience asked about a drive-through covered area. Mr. Starmer said that would be nice, but he did not know if the budget for the Library would handle that. He said basically that area just needs to be developed. At present it does not specifically indicate anything. Mr. Randels said that the City was not a group of engineers or Librarians and they would have to depend on staff for their input. He said he was not sure if this was the consensus of all the City Council so the sooner the Library could get a copy of plans to them the better, that way there would be less chance of problems. Mrs. Stewart asked Mr. Randels at what point he wanted the Library System to do this. Mr. Randels said he would like Mr. Starmer to take these two (2) Concepts to the City Council and get a feeling from them on the plans. Mrs. Stewart asked when the next meeting of the City Council was. Mr. Randels said Monday night. He said it would be good for the Council to hear just a five (5) minute overview. 8 • Mrs. Stewart asked Mrs. Escapa to arrange this with Bennett Boucher, the City Manager. She asked Mr. Randels who he thought should be in attendance at the meeting from the County. Mr. Randels said just one (1) or two (2) people who could answer questions. Mrs. Stewart said she or Mr. Harris would like to be there. She said someone from Facilities Construction should also be there. Mr. Randels said he envisioned it to be a short ten (10) minute overview. He said he hated for everyone to have to come to the meeting for such a short length of time, but in fairness to the other Council members he felt the plans should be presented. Mrs. Stewart said it took Mr. Vislay's approval to go on with the plans so he should be at the meeting. Mr. Randels said they did not intend to get into design, square footage, archways and doorways and that type of thing. Mrs. Stewart said the Library did want their input as far as if "Concept A shape was chosen, it would take so many parking spaces". This is the type question the Library will need feedback from the City on. Mr. Starmer said his thoughts were that when this is taken to the City Council, the Library should be able to say this is the direction it is intending to head. He said to show the Council either Concept A or B, not both. This was his recommendation. Mr. Harris said that at this meeting the consensus has been for Concept A. So he suggested to show the City Council Concept A and tell them this is the plan the Library is looking at and get input. Mr. Starmer said he could do this at any time. Mrs. Stewart said Mrs. Escapa would talk to Mr. Boucher and work out the time and then coordinate with the others. Mr. Starmer said he would go back and work on the spaces. He said that Mrs. Stewart pointed out that although the outer geometry works well, some of the functions will need to be re-worked. Mr. Harris said the plans at least show that everything will fit. Mr. Ernst asked Mr. Starmer about the possibility of having the Children's Department nearer to the Meeting Rooms. Mr. Starmer said since graphically the two (2) areas are approximately the same size, they could be flipped. He then asked if anyone had any other comments. Mrs. Stewart said there were four (4) out of seven (7) Cape Canaveral Library Board members at this meeting and even without an official meeting there was consensus by the Board. Mr. Vislay said in summary, Mrs. Escapa would coordinate the meeting with City Council and Mr. Starmer would pursue ironing out the details of Concept A spaces. Mr. Beauchemin asked when the next meeting with the public would be. 9 Mr. Vislay said that would be decided after the City Council had had a chance to look at the plans. He said this should happen within the next ten (10 days. Mrs. Stewart said County employees would also have to look at their schedules as there are a lot of budget meetings going on. Mr. Randels said City Council meetings are in the evenings. Mr. Starmer said at the next meeting, staff and the Library Board members should take the floor plan and get some things worked out. Mrs. Stewart said the floor plan would not be presented to the City Council as of yet just the site plan. Mr. Nicholas stated that on Floor Plan B, trees were on the right hand side. He asked if the trees were there now. Mr. Starmer replied no. He said these were just artistic touches. He thanked everyone for coming and for their input and comments. 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