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8 CITY COUNCIL OF CAPE CANAVERAL
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11 IN RE : ABBOTT v . CAPE CANAVERAL
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15 TAKEN JULY 22 , 1993
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1 APPEARANCES
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3 JOY SALAMONE , MAYOR
4 JOHN PORTER , MAYOR PRO TEM
5 BENNETT BOUCHER , CITY MANAGER
6 JOHN R . KANCILIA , CITY ATTORNEY
7 JOAN CALVERT
8 ROCKY RANDELS
9 ARTHUR BERGER
10 THOMAS B . KLEVING
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20 1 Miscellaneous Documents 29
21 2 Letter dated 7 -22 -93 29
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1 CAPE CANAVERAL , FLORIDA , JULY 22 , 1993
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3 (At 5 : 30 P . M . the following
4 proceedings were had : )
5 THE MAYOR : I ' d like to call this
6 meeting of the City Council of Cape
7 Canaveral in session , please . At this time
8 we ' ll go into a closed session as per
9 Florida Statute with our attorney on a
10 pending law case .
11 Attending this are the City Attorney ,
12 John Kancilia ; the City Manager , Bennett
13 Boucher ; Councilman Rocky Randels ,
14 Councilman John Porter , Councilwoman Joan
15 Calvert , Tom Kleving who is --
16 MR . KANCILIA : The defendant in this
17 suit .
18 THE MAYOR : -- a defendant in the
19 suit --
20 Thank you .
21 -- Cynthia Angell who is recording for
22 us and myself , Joy Salamone , Mayor .
23 Mr . Kancilia .
24 And we expect this meeting to last
25 between ten and fifteen minutes .
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1 MR . KANCILIA : The purpose of this
2 meeting is to have the Council consider the
3 settlement offer conveyed by the counsel
4 for the plaintiff , Robert Abbott , to settle
5 Mr . Abbott ' s suit against the City .
6 Before you you have a letter from the
7 City ' s insurance defense counsel , Michael
8 Roper , dated July 19th , 1993 . Mr . Roper
9 with his letter transmitted the plaintiff ' s
10 counsel ' s letter of July 16th , 1993 . The
11 latter letter conveys the plaintiff ' s offer
12 of settlement . Mr . Roper ' s letter
.,.. 13 summarizes and critiques the settlement
14 proposal provided by plaintiff ' s counsel .
15 Have all Council members had the
16 opportunity to read the letter?
17 MR . RANDELS : Am I the last person
18 here?
19 Are you speaking of this letter?
20 MR . KANCILIA : July 16th -- excuse
21 me -- July 19th from Michael Roper . Yes ,
22 that ' s it .
23 MR . RANDELS : Go ahead . I ' ll read
24 it .
25 MR . KANCILIA : Let me summarize . The
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1 offer of settlement is that Mr . Abbott will
2 apply for a building permit for the
3 satellite dish , and a state certified
4 building inspector will review the building
5 permit . Mr . Abbott requests that that
6 person be Mr . Artis Gunn , a former building
7 official for the City of Cape Canaveral .
8 Mr . Abbott would be permitted to
9 install his satellite dish at a height
10 which allows him to receive all North
11 American satellites . That height would
12 appear to be eleven feet calculated from
13 the established grade to the center of his
14 satellite dish . A separate fence would not
15 be installed around his satellite dish .
16 His satellite dish would not be installed
17 on the roof of the house or on the side of
18 his house .
19 The City would agree to amend its
20 Earth Station Antenna Regulations to
21 provide that ground-mounted earth station
22 antennas shall be erected at a minimum
23 height which would allow satellite
24 reception for North American satellites .
25 The City will commit to an overall
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1 review of the Earth Station Antenna
2 Regulations so that we are in compliance
3 with federal regulations and case law
4 construing those regulations .
5 Mr . Abbott would agree to forego his
6 claim for compensatory and punitive
7 damages .
8 The City shall pay Mr . Abbott ' s
9 attorney ' s fees and costs in this matter to
10 which I will speak separately in a moment .
11 The parties will execute a Mutual
12 Release , and both sides will execute a
13 dismissal of the lawsuit with prejudice .
14 As to the attorney ' s fees ,
15 Mr . Abbott ' s attorneys have incurred or
16 claim to have incurred attorney ' s fees so
17 far in the amount of $49 , 546 . 50 and costs
18 in the amount of $3 , 743 . 31 . The
19 plaintiff ' s offer includes a stipulation
20 that the attorney ' s fee amount would be
21 adjusted to cover all matters through the
22 conclusion of the settlement which would be
23 an amount over and above what I just
24 stated .
25 THE MAYOR : As he outlined in his
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1 letter to us , the transmittal letter , you
2 know , the one that was before this , we have
3 already agreed to everything except the
4 last problem . I still have a problem
5 paying the attorney ' s fees .
6 MR . KANCILIA : The amount of the
7 attorney ' s fees even shocked Mr . Roper . I
8 spoke with him this afternoon .
9 THE MAYOR : I mean this is $50 , 000 .
10 This is ridiculous .
11 MR . KANCILIA : He expected the
12 attorney ' s fees to be in the twenty ,
13 $25 , 000 range as opposed to a little over
14 fifty .
15 MR . PORTER : Fifty to sixty .
16 THE MAYOR : I mean it ' s beyond what we
17 could conceivably pay . That is far beyond
18 what I thought it might be at this
19 juncture , too .
20 MR . KANCILIA : I think everyone was
21 surprised .
22 Mr . Roper spoke with Mr . Roger Hagood
23 of the League of Cities which would pay
24 attorney ' s fees in this case if we were to
25 settle it or would pay attorney ' s fees up
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1 to $ 100 , 000 in a event the City had a
2 judgment against it . Mr . Hagood said that
3 he would defer to the judgment of Council
4 in terms of whether they wanted to settle
5 the suit or not in terms of satellite dish
6 issues . As to the fees Mr . Hagood ' s
7 inclination at this time would be that the
8 League of Cities would be willing to offer
9 fifty percent of the amount claimed as a
10 settlement , roughly twenty- five or whatever
11 that is .
12 THE MAYOR : I was going to say costs .
13 He pays the attorney ' s fees , and we ' ll pay
14 the costs he ' s incurred .
15 MR . KANCILIA : We could certainly make
16 that offer if Council were so inclined , but
17 the League of Cities would not have
18 difficulty if we were to offer half of the
19 entire $53 , 000 amount at this point .
20 THE MAYOR : Would Council be willing
21 to do that?
22 MS . CALVERT : Mayor .
23 THE MAYOR : Yes , ma ' am .
24 MS . CALVERT : In this agreement with
25 the minimum of eleven feet for the
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1 placement and the height and the statement
2 there , placement of the dish anywhere it
3 would be required in order to get all the
4 northeastern satellite dishes , is a very
5 loose statement that someone could place
6 this in their front yard if that ' s how they
7 desire to put it , and I think we ' re
8 jeopardizing everything here according to
9 this , to this request .
10 THE MAYOR : I hear what you ' re saying .
11 MS . CALVERT : Okay?
12 THE MAYOR : Okay .
13 MR . PORTER : I mean I know one case
14 where a gentleman has trees surrounding his
15 house and he would love to just run a pole
16 all the way up to the roof . In a way you
17 don ' t blame him . He wants to use a
18 satellite dish . On the other hand ,
19 according to this as amended as to per
20 Mr . Abbott he would be in his full rights
21 to do so , and , you know , I think our
22 priority has been in what the Planning and
23 Zoning Board originally had come up with
24 which was to protect the health , safety and
25 welfare of the citizens .
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1 THE MAYOR : As well as the
2 aesthetics . The aesthetics is very
3 important to us .
4 MS . CALVERT : The aesthetics .
5 And according to this you could put it
6 anywhere you want to .
7 THE MAYOR : In this town we have proof
8 of that . We have proof that aesthetics is
9 important in this town .
10 MS . CALVERT : Exactly .
11 THE MAYOR : We tax ourselves with
12 beautification separate and totally
13 different from what we tax everything
14 else . So I think that ' s a good case .
15 As we said all along , we would support
16 this ordinance no matter what but that
17 Mr . Roper seemed ready to go to
18 settlement . I don ' t see we ' re close enough
19 to do that .
20 MS . CALVERT : I agree .
21 MR . KLEVING : Could I make a statement
22 here?
23 THE MAYOR : Mr . Kancilia , can he?
24 MR . KANCILIA : Yes , if the Chair
25 wishes to recognize him .
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1 THE MAYOR : Mr . Kleving .
2 MR . KLEVING : Okay . I just have a
3 couple questions . Number one , when he
4 requests all satellites , North American
5 satellites , was that over what he was
6 receiving before?
7 Number two , if he was indeed receiving
8 all these , it ' s my understanding that he
9 would have to subscribe to all of these
10 satellites , and did he in reality subscribe
11 to all of them? Has he proven that , or was
12 he possibly pirating them?
13 MR . KANCILIA : I don ' t know the answer
14 to the question . I think the issue --
15 THE MAYOR : Did you ask Mr . Roper?
16 MR . KANCILIA : Yes .
17 MR . BOUCHER : I think those are some
18 of the questions he refused to answer in
19 his interrogatories .
20 THE MAYOR : I know .
21 MR . KLEVING : If I can continue with
22 one more .
23 THE MAYOR : Go ahead .
24 MR . KLEVING : Number three , what he ' s
25 requesting is only four feet over what our
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1 regulations are now --
2 MS . CALVERT : Yeah . Yeah .
3 MR . KLEVING : -- which is really
4 pretty ludicrous , I think , given the fact
5 that , with the expert that I was out there
6 to Mr . Abbott ' s house with Mr . Roper , he
7 could pick up all but maybe two of the
8 satellites , and of those two he wasn ' t
9 sure . There would be nothing to say he
10 wouldn ' t be picking up everything at eight
11 feet . I ' m sure that had he gone before
12 Code Enforcement that he probably would
13 have got the eight feet had it been
14 requested .
15 MS . CALVERT : It ' s this Paragraph 3
16 that I have the real problem with ,
17 "The City will amend its Earth
18 Station Antenna Regulations to provide that
19 ground-mounted earth station antennas shall
20 be erected at the minimum height which
21 allows satellite reception as certified by
22 a satellite vendor or one qualified to
23 conduct a site survey in connection with
24 reception of satellites on the property . "
25 THE MAYOR : Okay . We have a problem
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1 with No . 3 definitely .
2 MS . CALVERT : Absolutely .
3 MR . RANDELS : And No . 6 .
4 THE MAYOR : And No . 6 .
5 I need to ask something on No . 6 that
6 I forgot to say .
7 It says that we shall pay his
8 attorney ' s fees and costs with an
9 additional amount estimated to conclude the
10 settlement . What does that mean?
11 MR . KANCILIA : Drafting the settlement
12 documents .
13 THE MAYOR : Any costs incurred?
14 MR . KANCILIA : Well , primarily
15 attorney ' s fees to draft settlement
16 documents and appear in court to dismiss
17 the case .
18 THE MAYOR : That wouldn ' t be part of
19 the fees and costs talked about in the
20 first part of that sentence?
21 MR . PORTER : It ' s a closing cost .
22 THE MAYOR : Obviously , it ' s going to
23 be a hundred thousand dollars by that time .
24 MR . PORTER : Probably another two to
25 three based on what we know right now .
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1 MR . KANCILIA : I would say two to
2 three is a reasonable estimate .
3 THE MAYOR : No . I would say two times
4 this amount .
5 MR . KANCILIA : To conclude this
6 settlement?
7 THE MAYOR : If we don ' t settle
8 tonight , based on the fees we ' ve seen so
9 far if we go to trial , I bet you .
10 MR . KANCILIA : Well , if we go to
11 trial , right .
12 In answer to Councilman Porter ' s
13 question I would say normally two to three
14 thousand would be a reasonable amount to
15 conclude this . The size of Mr . Lee ' s fees
16 are shocking . So two to three thousand
17 might be sufficient .
18 THE MAYOR : They thought ten to
19 fifteen was sufficient before .
20 MR . KANCILIA : I know . We were all
21 surprised .
22 MS . CALVERT : I have a question for
23 Mr . Kancilia .
24 MR . KANCILIA : Yes , ma ' am .
25 THE MAYOR : Yes .
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1 MS . CALVERT : Is this normal procedure
2 for the plaintiff to insist that he have a
3 personally selected building official
4 handle this?
5 MR . KANCILIA : No . No . It ' s not , and
6 that ' s obviously --
7 MS . CALVERT : Then I have another
8 problem .
9 MR . KANCILIA : -- that ' s a personal
10 concern he has . I mean there were
11 allegations in the complaint against
12 Mr . Morgan , and I think that ' s why this
13 stipulation was put in the settlement
14 agreement . It ' s a personal matter with
15 Mr . Abbott and Mr . Morgan , Mr . Abbott
16 primarily .
17 MS . CALVERT : I understand this , but
18 if the City were willing to determine
19 another building official , I think it would
20 be up to the City to determine other than
21 if we chose , not Mr . Morgan , but someone
22 else .
23 MR . KANCILIA : That ' s certainly a
24 matter of negotiation . Nothing in here
25 is --
to
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1 MS . CALVERT : I think it ' s ludicrous
2 to go out and pick your own building
3 official .
4 MR . KANCILIA : You know , this is a
5 framework for negotiation , and I don ' t
6 think we should consider any of the points
7 in the settlement offer to be
8 nonnegotiable .
9 THE MAYOR : Well , No . 4 is good .
10 Point four is good and fair .
11 MR . KANCILIA : Five .
12 THE MAYOR : Five is very good . I like
13 five a lot .
14 MR . KANCILIA : By the way , in your
15 packet --
16 THE MAYOR : Seven is all right .
17 MR . KANCILIA : I don ' t know if you
18 received it in your packet , but the City ' s
19 motion to dismiss was denied --
20 MS . CALVERT : Yes .
21 MR . KANCILIA : -- except as to
22 Mr . Abbott ' s claim for punitive damages
23 which was dismissed .
24 THE MAYOR : It ' s already been
25 dismissed .
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1 MR . KANCILIA : The case law is fairly
2 clear that municipalities and states don ' t
3 have to pay punitive damages in cases such
4 as this . The bad news for Mr . Kleving is
5 that the punitive claim as to him was not
6 dismissed as individuals can be held liable
7 for punitive damages in cases of this
8 sort . However , Mr . Roper will be
9 submitting a motion for summary judgment by
10 the 30th , and hopefully many , if not all ,
11 of the claims against Mr . Kleving will be
12 settled favorably for Tom .
13 THE MAYOR : We hope so , Tom . That
14 would be only be fair .
15 MR . KLEVING : I have a question .
16 If Mr . Abbott won ' t answer a couple
17 questions from the Attorney Roper on some
18 of these , is it possible for the attorney
19 to subpoena records from these satellite --
20 THE MAYOR : Companies?
21 MR . KLEVING : -- these people that
22 sell these satellite programs to find out
23 if indeed Mr . Abbott was receiving all of
24 these , number one , and if he was paying for
25 it , number two? They can subpoena
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1 telephone records and that .
2 MR . KANCILIA : Yes . It is possible to
3 have a subpoena of records which are
4 relevant to a civil lawsuit . However , I
5 think the time for that might have passed ,
6 and , you know , again certainly that
7 information is relevant but I think the
8 issue is broader than that .
9 MS . CALVERT : Since these questions
10 were only asked in deposition , doesn ' t
11 Mr . Roper still have the opportunity to ask
12 these questions?
13 MR . KANCILIA : At trial ?
14 MS . CALVERT : At trial .
15 MR . KANCILIA : Certainly .
16 MS . CALVERT : I asked that question .
17 MR . BOUCHER : Also , Mr . Roper has
18 filed a motion to compel him to answer
19 those interrogatory questions .
20 THE MAYOR : Right . There ' s still an
21 effort .
22 MR . BOUCHER : We ' re just waiting on
23 the judge to make a determination on those .
24 THE MAYOR : Let ' s go down item by item
25 to see what it is that we could possibly
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1 agree to . We would certainly agree to --
2 MR . PORTER : Are you starting from
3 one?
4 THE MAYOR : I ' m starting at one .
5 I would agree to a state certified
6 building inspector reviewing any permits
7 that might have to do with the settlement
8 here . Would all of you agree to that?
9 MS . CALVERT : Yes .
10 THE MAYOR : Agreed to by the City and
11 the plaintiff or whatever . Is that how you
12 say it , that we could come to an agreement
13 on one?
14 MR . KANCILIA : Right . Mutual
15 agreement .
16 THE MAYOR : He could give us six or
17 seven names and let us choose . Does that
18 make sense?
19 MR . KANCILIA : Sure .
20 THE MAYOR : Is that agreeable to
21 Council?
22 MS . CALVERT : Yes .
23 THE MAYOR : Okay . How about allowing
24 him to install his satellite dish at a
25 height that permits him to receive all the
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1 North American satellites?
2 MR . RANDELS : If we say yes to this
3 individual , how can we say no to his
4 neighbor?
5 THE MAYOR : That ' s how I feel .
6 MS . CALVERT : Exactly .
7 MR . KANCILIA : You probably can , and
8 the way of the procedure of implementing
9 the settlement will have to be is that we
10 will have to amend the ordinance first to
11 allow a height of greater than seven feet
12 because the Council does not have the
13 authority to tell someone you can put your
14 satellite dish at a height of eleven feet .
15 Only the Board of Adjustment can .
16 THE MAYOR : It ' s a special exception .
17 MR . KANCILIA : Yes . I don ' t think
18 Mr . Abbott is willing to go before the
19 Board of Adjustment and take his chances
20 there . We would have to amend the
21 ordinance to a height of eleven feet , and
22 when you amend the ordinance --
23 MR . RANDELS : Everybody .
24 MR . KANCILIA : -- every other citizen
25 will have the opportunity of an eleven-foot
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1 satellite dish .
2 MS . CALVERT : I ' ve always felt that
3 you don ' t tailor make an ordinance to suit
4 one particular case . If the next person
5 that comes along needs fourteen feet --
6 THE MAYOR : And takes it to court .
7 MS . CALVERT : -- and takes it to
8 court , where do we stand then if somebody
9 else needs higher than eleven? I think
10 eleven is just -- I don ' t feel safe with
11 eleven because next week somebody might
12 need twelve or fourteen feet .
13 MR . KANCILIA : What the ordinance
14 would have --
15 MS . CALVERT : I think this is being
16 tailored made here .
17 MR . KANCILIA : What the ordinance
18 would have to provide to be valid and also
19 to be usable in the future for the citizens
20 would be an internal variance procedure , if
21 you will , whereby each particular request
22 would stand on its own merits , and someone
23 would have to pass upon how high the
24 satellite dish could be installed in order
25 to receive the satellites . In that
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1 ordinance we would also have to specify
2 maximum height above which no satellite
3 dish would be erected .
4 MS . CALVERT : Because of safety and
5 welfare factors .
6 MR . KANCILIA : Right .
7 MS . CALVERT : As well as aesthetics .
8 MR . KANCILIA : When we get that , we
9 could cure some of the other issues that
10 are plaguing us with this .
11 MS . CALVERT : We have a six-foot
12 ordinance on fences on the rear and sides
13 of property .
14 MR . KANCILIA : Right .
15 MS . CALVERT : Well , speaking of
16 aesthetics maybe the neighbor in the
17 backyard doesn ' t want to see a huge
18 satellite dish there staring them in the
19 face from their backyard , you know .
20 THE MAYOR : Okay . So we can ' t live
21 with this . Is that what I ' m hearing?
22 MR . PORTER : I would say that we just
23 invite him to do what he should have done
24 in the first place and invite him to go to
25 the Board of Adjustment .
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1 MR . RANDELS : I think , Mary , if indeed
2 we make and it appears that we are saying
3 we are changing or proposing to change the
4 ordinance for this one specific individual ,
5 then that is somewhat admitting that indeed
6 it was not correct when we had it to begin
7 with and we ' re going back to revisit it . I
8 guess really where I ' m coming from is :
9 What has changed from the time this suit
10 was filed , and are we any more wrong now
11 than we were then? If we aren ' t , then why
12 are we knuckling down and saying , okay ,
13 we ' ll change to fit your needs and don ' t go
14 no further?
15 THE MAYOR : That ' s been our bottom
16 line all along . We don ' t feel there ' s
17 anything wrong with the ordinance . We
18 think it ' s good .
19 MS . CALVERT : Why is eleven better
20 than six?
21 MR . RANDELS : If we establish this on
22 the basis of some justification because of
23 safety , health , welfare , protection ,
24 hurricanes , wind damages and all these
25 items , then indeed if it ' s correct then and
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1 nothing has changed , what makes it wrong
2 now , and why are we willing to change it to
3 satisfy a desire?
4 I guess I ' m not in favor of chipping
5 away at what we think was correct to begin
6 with .
7 THE MAYOR : Do I hear Council saying
8 they don ' t wish to settle? Do I hear that
9 from all Council members?
10 We don ' t wish to settle .
11 MS . CALVERT : I think the request is
12 unreasonable and not in the best interest
13 of the City .
14 THE MAYOR : We believe the ordinance
15 is good and we would like to see . We have
16 supported our ordinances in the past and
17 have gone as far as we need to go , and
18 perhaps we need to do that here as well .
19 MR . KANCILIA : Okay .
20 THE MAYOR : It ' s unfair and not in the
21 City ' s best interest .
22 MR . PORTER : In my opinion the
23 ordinance is good , and it sounds like what
24 we have is situation where it may or may
25 not have been passed correctly .
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1 MR . KANCILIA : Right .
2 THE MAYOR : They think maybe . They
3 don ' t know .
4 MR . KANCILIA : Right . They haven ' t
5 latched onto that either .
6 THE MAYOR : We don ' t know that they
7 know that .
8 MR . KANCILIA : We don ' t know that they
9 know .
10 MR . PORTER : At any rate , that in
11 reality though is what we ' re up against . I
12 think we got an excellent ordinance , and
13 thanks to Bennett for digging out some of
14 the information that we needed , but if we
15 have a real situation in how it was
16 passed --
17 MR . BOUCHER : Well , maybe . Maybe
18 not . The burden of proof is on them .
19 THE MAYOR : Let ' s see . The burden of
20 proof is on them , not on the City .
21 MR . BOUCHER : The burden of proof is
22 on them to demonstrate that it wasn ' t
23 passed according to state statute , and I
24 haven ' t seen any argument from their side
25 indicating that .
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1 THE MAYOR : That ' s our good lawyer
2 that ' s come up with that one , not theirs .
3 MR . PORTER : Not until the appeal
4 process will they be able to get these
5 records?
6 MR . RANDELS : Not until after .
7 MR . KANCILIA : No , not until after the
8 litigation is concluded .
9 MR . PORTER : Totally complete?
10 MR . KANCILIA : Right .
11 MR . PORTER : Okay . So it ' s safe as
12 far as them getting that information?
13 MR . KANCILIA : Right .
14 MR . PORTER : You know , I ' m just --
15 THE MAYOR : Mrs . Calvert , you ' re not
16 ready to settle?
17 MS . CALVERT : No , ma ' am .
18 THE MAYOR : Mr . Porter , you ' re not
19 ready to settle?
20 MR . PORTER : That is correct .
21 THE MAYOR : Mr . Randels , you ' re not
22 ready to settle?
23 MR . RANDELS : No , I ' m not .
24 THE MAYOR : I ' m not ready to settle .
25 You have the answer to the letter .
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1 MR . KANCILIA : Okay . Not on any
2 basis?
3 THE MAYOR : Pardon me?
4 MR . KANCILIA : Not on any basis?
5 THE MAYOR : Not with what he ' s got in
6 here . We ' re not going to change that
7 ordinance and give him the right to put it
8 up higher than the ordinance right now .
9 The only thing we would be willing to
10 settle on is to look and see that it fits
11 FAA or FCC regulations because we do
12 believe in following federal law .
13 MR . KANCILIA : Okay .
14 THE MAYOR : Now , on that issue I do
15 believe Council would not argue that we
16 need to know because in reviewing all of
17 our codes we would do that . I feel that is
18 fair and equitable .
19 MR . KANCILIA : He can apply for a
20 variance .
21 THE MAYOR : He can go anytime he wants
22 to get the special variance , whatever he
23 needs to do , to go through the processes of
24 the City , and we have never denied him that
25 right .
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1 MR . PORTER : Which , by the way , isn ' t
2 that a positive on our side and pretty
3 substantial in court that , look , he didn ' t
4 even try and go through the regular
5 meetings?
6 MR . KANCILIA : Well , there ' s not a
7 requirement under this particular statute
8 that a plaintiff exhaust his --
9 MR . PORTER : It doesn ' t help .
10 MR . KANCILIA : It helps kind of like
11 chicken soup for a cold . It can ' t hurt ,
12 but it doesn ' t help a lot .
13 MS . CALVERT : Possibly the remedy was
14 there to help him , and he did not exercise
15 the right .
16 MR . KANCILIA : Right .
17 THE MAYOR : We ' re not going to change
18 the ordinance because he didn ' t exercise
19 his rights , and I think real strong about
20 that . Mr . Roper has where we are .
21 MR . KANCILIA : Okay .
22 THE MAYOR : We talked about No . 1 . If
23 it came down to something like that and he
24 needed to write it in in court or
25 something , I think we would be willing to
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1 let another person come in .
2 MR . KANCILIA : Okay .
3 THE MAYOR : Okay?
4 MR . KANCILIA : All right .
5 THE MAYOR : Okay . I now call this
6 part of the meeting over with .
7 We are now in the public part of the
8 meeting .
9 MR . PORTER : Motion to adjourn .
10 THE MAYOR : Do I have a second?
11 MS . CALVERT : Second .
12 THE MAYOR : All in favor?
13 MR . PORTER : Aye .
14 MS . CALVERT : Aye .
15 THE MAYOR : We ' re out of here .
16 ( Exhibits 1 and 2 were marked for
17 identification . )
18 (At 5 : 58 P . M . the proceedings
19 concluded . )
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1 CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER
2
STATE OF FLORIDA }
3
COUNTY OF BREVARD }
4
5 I , CYNTHIA A . ANGELL , CSR-RPR , Deputy Official
Court Reporter , in and for the County of Brevard , do
6 hereby certify that I was authorized to and did
stenographically report the foregoing proceedings ,
7 and that the transcript is a true and correct record
of the proceedings to the best of my ability .
8
Done and dated this day of August , 1993 ,
9 at Melbourne , Brevard County , Florida .
10 /'
11 CYNTIA A ANGELL ; CSR-RPR
DEPUTY OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER
12
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ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF NOTARY
14
15 STATE OF FLORIDA }
}
16 COUNTY OF BREVARD }
17
The forego) certificate was acknowledged
18 before me this ' day of August , 1993 , by CYNTHIA
A . ANGELL , who is personally known to me .
19
WITNESS my hand and official seal .
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My CommissioExpires :,
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situation[2]24:24;25:15 true[1]30:7
six[2] 19:16;2320 twelve[1]21:12
six-foot[1]2211 twenty[1] 7.'12
sbdy[1] 7:15 twenty-five[1]8:10
size[1] 14:15 •
somebody[2]21:8, 11 — U —
someone[4]9:5; 15:21;20:13;21:22
understand [1] 15:17
somewhat[1]23:5 understanding [1] 11:8
sort[1] 17.8 unfair[1]24:20
sounds[1]2423 unreasonable[1]24:12
soup[1]28:11 usable[1]21:19
speak[1]6:10
speaking [2]4:19;2215 — v —
special[2]20:16;27:22
specific[1]23:4 valid [1]21:18
specify[1]221 variance[3]212);2720,22
spoke[2]7:8,22 vendor[1] 1222
stand [2]21:8,22
staring [1]2218 — W —
starting [2] 192 4 waiting [1] 1822
STATE[2]302 15 waited [1]8:4
state[3]5:3;19:5;25:23 waits[2]9:17;27:21
stated [11624 we'll[2]8:73;2313
statement[3]9:1,5 1021 We're[4] 18.22;27:6;28:17;29:75
states[1] 17.2 we're[4]9:7; 10:18;23:7;25.11
Station[3]5.20;6:1; 1218 We've[1] 14:8
station[2]521; 1219 week[1]21:11
statute[2]2523;28:7 welfare[3]925;22:5;2323
stenographically[1]30:6 whereby[1]21.21
stipulation[2]6.19;15.13 willing [7]8:5 20; 15:18;20:18;24.2;27.9;
strong [1]28:19 28.25
submitting [1] 17.9 wind [1]23.24
subpoena[3] 17:19,25; 18:3 wish[2]24:8, 10
subscribe[2] 11.9, 10 wishes[1] 1025
su bstarttial [1]28:3 WITNESS [1]30:19
sufficient[2] 14:17, 19 won't[1] 17:16
suit[4]4:5;8:5;212;239 wouldn't[2] 1210;13:18
srnmarme[1]425 write[1]2824
summarizes[1]4:13 wrong [3]23:10, 17;24:1
summary[1] 17:9
support[1] 10:15 —Y -
supported[1]24:16
surprised[2]7.21;14.21 yard [1]9:6
surrounding[1]9:14 Yeah[2] 122
survey[1] 1223
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-T - Zoning [1]9.23
tailor[1]21:3
tailored [1]21:16
takes[2]21:8, 7
taked[2] 1319;2822
tax[2] 10:11, 13
telephone[1] 18:1
ten[1] 14:18
terms[2]8:4,5
thanks[1]25:13
theirs[1]262
thousand [3] 1323; 14:14, 16
three[5] 1124; 1325;; 14:2, 13, 16
times[1] 14.:3
Tom[2] 17:12 13
tonight[1] 14:8
Totally[1]26.9
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